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Saints and Sats 11 months ago
GM Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. (Matthew 10:26)
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Saints and Sats 11 months ago
My parents were deeply influenced by Doug Wilson, Bill Gothard, James Dobson, etc. They followed the rules. They did everything by the book. High control. It didn’t work. At all. The results are pain, divorce, fractures. Half my siblings refuse to talk to my dad. Only my dad is still protestant. Everyone else is orthodox or catholic or walked away from faith altogether. The pain from these terrible teachings has lasting consequences. I’m sharing these episodes in hopes that maybe one family will be spared the pain that we went through. There are a lot of good people here on Nostr who are finding Jesus and trying to do life right, just like my parents were before they got sucked into Wilson’s orbit. I highly recommend listening to this episode even if you listen to none of the others. The two guests make very solid arguments, which are fully consistent with sound doctrine. And to front run the haters, I’m not a theological liberal, a feminist, or an apologist for the cultural zeitgeist. Maybe I’m a little bitter at Wilson, but I have to be at this point just so I don’t blame my parents. Wilson probably wouldn’t take an ounce of responsibility for his role in this. But for him, ideology comes first, and so even if my family is a casualty of his crusade it’s a price worth paying.
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Saints and Sats 11 months ago
Wilson does lean towards Orthodoxy on several particular topics, namely infant communion and aspects of his understanding of salvation and grace. But that’s not necessarily a good thing. Taking bits of Orthodoxy into a Protestant framework can cause lots of issues. An example of this is Bill Gothard, who defined grace as “the power that God gives us to do his will”. That’s closer to the Orthodox understanding than most Protestants are. But he keeps that understanding of grace within a typical Protestant Penal Substitution Atonement model where salvation is getting God to be not mad at you anymore. Take that definition of Grace and put it into Eph. 2:8, and salvation (from the wrath of God) becomes a matter of doing enough good works. In addition, this is within a sort of prosperity gospel framework where bad things that happen to you are always your fault for stepping outside of God’s will or having insufficient good works etc etc. Wilson does something very similar to Gothard but of course couches it in much more rhetorical sophistication. Ultimately it is a theological system that is designed for cult-like control. Those within the system can never be sure if they are under wrath or under grace (it’s a total binary) because a state of grace is demonstrated by showing sufficient works and obedience to those in authority. I grew up in a Wilson/Gothard influenced household and I always believed (until my mid teens) that God was mad at me and I was “unsaved” and heading for Hell because of some deficiency of my faith as expressed by my works/obedience. It was only as a teenager that I got a sense of peace that God loved me and was unconditionally for me that I was finally able to experience and grow in the spiritual walk (not coincidentally, Wilson’s influence in our family diminished at that time). In summary, if your going to be Orthodox be Orthodox, and if your going to be Reformed be Reformed. Don’t mix and match between theological systems. No good can come of it.
When I was Baptist I met an ABWE Baptist missionary to Ukraine who was back in the US fundraising. Something about him struck me as off. Then later I saw his YouTube channel where he was blatantly lying about Orthodox Christians in Ukraine and I thought aren’t missionaries supposed to be honest? Then after the Russian intervention in 2022 he was interviewed by ABWE, and literally every word he said was a slogan or official CIA talking point. So when Jay pointed out that tons of Protestant missionaries work directly with the CIA, I can say I’ve met one.
Love all the talk about #homeschooling here on #nostr. We take it for granted that homeschooling is legalized in the US. But it wasn’t always. I was raised as an evangelical Christian homeschooler in the 1990’s. The legality of homeschooling was always being challenged in many states during the 80s and 90s. One of the ways homeschoolers fought back was to go meet state lawmakers in person. Anytime a bill was introduced to curb homeschooling rights, the committee would find themselves overwhelmed with comments from articulate educated and civically minded high school students. It had a lasting impact on legislators of that era. Just a reminder to the current generation of homeschooling parents that you may need to do the same. The attacks will return. Be organized and prepared.