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Christian Fidelity, Coercive Systems, and the Moral Status of Social Security and Medicare The modern church often teaches that because we inhabit an unjust system, certain unrighteous acts become practically necessary: obtaining a Social Security Number, receiving Social Security payments, enrolling in Medicare, or participating in state-managed financial mechanisms in general. The justification typically offered is that the believer’s righteousness is secured by imputation, and therefore participation in morally suspect systems cannot compromise one’s spiritual standing. The church simultaneously proclaims the Bible as the highest authority, yet excuses behaviors that Scripture itself characterizes as contrary to covenantal ethics. This tension arises from a failure to distinguish coercive structures of the world from voluntary, covenantal obedience within the Kingdom of God. 1. Imputed righteousness does not sanctify unrighteous acts The doctrine of imputation means that the believer stands righteous before God because of Christ’s merit, not because of flawless performance. Yet Paul explicitly rejects the notion that grace legitimizes participation in evil: “Shall we sin so that grace may abound? God forbid.” Imputation is never presented as permission to submit to systems that violate God’s moral order. It is empowerment to obey God with a restored conscience. To argue that Christians may safely participate in unrighteous economic structures because grace covers them is not gospel—it is antinomianism. 2. Scripture defines charity and mutual aid as voluntary, relational, and covenantal In the biblical pattern: giving is voluntary (2 Cor 9:7) the community’s care is relational (Acts 2:44–45) widows are supported under covenantal criteria (1 Tim 5) economic justice rests on stewardship, not coercion debts among believers are forgiven as an act of love, not extracted through legal force Christian generosity flows outward from the heart transformed by the Spirit, not from state bureaucracies acting through compulsion. Coercive redistribution is not biblical charity, even if the outcome resembles benevolence. Benevolence without freedom collapses into mere policy. 3. Social Security is not reciprocal or covenantal; it is coercive extraction Social Security and Medicare are not acts of mutual aid. They are legally enforced transfers: the worker has no choice the contributions are not saved but immediately redistributed the “beneficiary” does not receive what he paid in, but what is taken from younger generations Congress explicitly denies that contributions create any property right This is not lending, not charity, not contract, and not stewardship. It is intergenerational extraction under threat of penalty. Whether Christians or non-Christians administer the system does not alter its moral nature. The presence of believers in the machinery of coercion does not sanctify coercion. 4. Distinguishing between loans, usury, and enslavement Scripture does not condemn all lending. It condemns: lending at abusive interest predatory terms coerced relationships treating a brother as commercial prey Voluntary debt is warned against, but not prohibited; it binds the borrower to the lender, but within a framework of consent. Usury violates covenantal bonds by commodifying the need of the vulnerable. The state’s compulsory retirement system bears none of the marks of covenantal lending and all the marks of coercive appropriation. 5. “The system requires it” is not a Christian argument A central pattern in Scripture is the refusal to accept the world’s framing of what is “necessary”: Daniel refused the king’s food Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused the furnace’s logic The apostles refused the Sanhedrin The early Christians refused civic cult participation Jesus Himself refused the terms of Satan’s kingdoms Practical necessity has never been a valid justification for crossing moral boundaries. Faithfulness is often impractical. When the church teaches believers to comply with unjust structures merely because they are powerful, it abandons the Kingdom for the logic of empire. 6. Identity systems enforced by the state are not covenantal The imagery of Revelation regarding the “mark” is not superstition about numbers. It is a recognition of systems where: economic access requires state-issued identity participation demands ideological submission one’s ability to buy and sell becomes contingent on compliance allegiance shifts from God’s covenant to state structures This is not an accusation that modern systems are the mark, but an acknowledgment that their architecture imitates the same spiritual pattern: identity enforced by power, economy gated by compliance. A believer may be compelled by law to hold an SSN, but he should not mistake the system for righteous order. 7. Abraham’s refusal provides the archetype of covenantal integrity Abraham refused even a shoelace from the king of Sodom, saying: “Lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich.’” This is the Kingdom posture: refusing to allow worldly powers to claim the mantle of provider. Accepting the fruits of coercive extraction from younger generations contradicts this stance. It allows Caesar to claim that he sustains the believer in old age, rather than God. Refusal is not legalism; it is loyalty. 8. The moral conclusion Christians may be compelled by law to pay into Social Security and Medicare. But they are not compelled to sanctify these systems, nor to receive the fruits of coerced labor extracted from their grandchildren. Imputed righteousness does not bless participation in unrighteous systems. It empowers the believer to live faithfully within a corrupt world without accepting the world’s moral definitions. Social Security remains a coercive, intergenerational transfer system; its benefits remain the fruits of compelled labor; its administration remains morally unjust whether carried out by Christians or pagans. To refuse the payout is to align oneself with the pattern of Abraham, the ethic of voluntary covenant, and the Kingdom’s rejection of false providers.
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If you truly believe that something is immoral, then you are compelled by God's law to abstain from it. You should fear God more than humans. This imputation thing is abhorrent. Its just further proof that clergy are retarded at best, and quite likely just bad people. There is no justification for knowingly sinning. None. Never. You don't ask for forgiveness and then do it again. Is God going to listen to you the second time? Idk, but it seems like a stretch to me. That said, I'm not 100℅ convinced social security cards are sin, or the accepting of them is. Theft certainly is, so all nonconsenting taxes are sin. Ask God for forgiveness for paying taxes, and then never do it again. Seriously.
2025-12-05 03:34:23 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
But look, it doesn't matter what you and I think of this system because we can sit here and argue about each other's mindsets, right? But that doesn't change that next week. They're gonna tax you, you're gonna pay medicaid, and social security is gonna get taken out of your check. So let's just smoke some weed. But I still want that money back
2025-12-05 05:38:01 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Who is they? The government can only steal from you because other people today are taking the stolen money from the government. Repaying evil for evil is the opposite of the kingdom mindset. You do not repair your grandparent's theft from you by stealing from your grandchildren.
2025-12-05 13:28:35 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply