That's kind of complicated to answer. When you start to experience out of body you have to question how you can see from different perspectives. If you can be out of body, then why would your body limitations still continue to limit you? The seeing part for me happened early. My friends taught me why only see out of my eyes? Maybe I could see out of my knee? If I can see out my knee, then what's stopping me from seeing like a fish might as if I had eyes on the side of my head instead of just the front? Then why need a body on the other side at all, why not be the wind and see 360? It was just persistent practice and didn't matter if another is around, although it is easier to tap into another's eyes than to be the wind. Monroe mostly stays more embodied than I was taught to, even in his OOBEs. But I think it might make it easier to be fully functioning here to remember your body even on the other side. I had my own troubles related to being taught this so young and I think life would be easier otherwise 🤣 I can't speak too much to the Kundalini experience, although I think it must be part of this. I'm just not an expert at that language and wouldn't want to mislead you.