Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

hodlbod hodlbod@coracle.social 2 years ago

Ok, not to diss this project or anything, but relay-proxy from earlier this year does the same thing. Multiplextr does as well, but using a wrapper protocol so clients can make non-static relay selections. Proxies like this hurt the ability for clients to intelligently route. They also have significant privacy drawbacks, especially if proxying AUTH (they can exfiltrate protected data). I'd love to see more work in this area, especially since proxies have the ability to improve routing without clients having to do anything by inspecting filters coming through. I recently wrote a bit about this, see below:

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Relays, Encryption, and Groups - General Ned Ludd

On relays, encryption, and how they work together to create a "good enough" private group solution.

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nobody 2 years ago

I'm not going to be able to read this right away but thank you so much for this article. I've been thinking about some of the same concepts and this article looks really well thought out.

Derek Ross derekross@grownostr.org 2 years ago

I feel like the whole reason this exists because we don't have routing or gossip on all clients, so people are trying to find work arounds to make Nostr more usable. If we had routing and gossip, we wouldn't need this most likely.

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Yonle _@yonle.page.my.id 2 years ago

Just like an IRC bouncer, You are expected to run the software for your own actually.

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Yonle _@yonle.page.my.id 2 years ago

And no. NIP-42 was not enabled by default & only supported for personal use due to the reasons that you've provide above.

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Yonle _@yonle.page.my.id 2 years ago

And again, NIP-42 requires domain name validation. So #bostr could not use NIP-42 for public usage.

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Yonle _@yonle.page.my.id 2 years ago

I am rather questioning the privacy at multiplextr than in #bostr as it tell to coracle that the event was sent from "that" relays, and then coracle sign the AUTH for "that" relays also.

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hodlbod hodlbod@coracle.social 2 years ago

Well, this breaks gossip in clients that have it. It would be possible for a proxy to add gossip to clients that don't, and that would be awesome, but this isn't it.

hodlbod hodlbod@coracle.social 2 years ago

Yes, multiplextr absolutely has the privacy problem you're describing. The advantage it has is it allows clients to implement routing.