while @Daedalus brings up many points worthy of consideration, I am pleased that you seem to no longer be seeing it as a "us vs them" thing. as I mentioned to you before, almost all Monero users own bitcoin (and usually not a little, either). the reverse is not true, and there are many reasons, from myopic maxi culture to the sheer difference in magnitude between users of each coin, as well as the historic context (bitcoin is older). you are right that neither is perfect, although not exactly due to the reasons you mentioned here and which @Daedalus largely addresses); but the point still stands. and that's been our point all along: this is not us vs them, and this is not about religious dogms or football club fanboyism. it's about having sound money that can't be inflated away (bitcoin) and transacting privately (monero). ideally those would be one coin, and maybe one day they will be, or maybe not. either way, the future is uncertain, the present is here. and here we already have those two tools available. why not use both? I like & use lightning too (even run a few nodes, one of each eclair/lnd/cln) but it's just not the same context - always on 24/7, hot wallets, limited liquidity, channel probing attacks, and a thousand other things I have tested and many more I am sure didn't even occur to me. in that sense, Monero is simpler and more predictable. in other senses and for other contexts it's lightning that's simpler and more predictable. this is what we have been saying all along: use the tools. it's good even if you just use monero with small amounts for day to day needs. we're normalizing financial privacy again. it's no accident it's #monero that was banned/delisted almost everywhere. the privacy makes it a threat. in a system of complete mass-surveillance and constant 24/7 profiling, that is a breath of fresh air, but also an existencial threat to the control paradigm, which relies on the surveillance. so stick the middle finger to the would-be masters. spread monero far an wide, show them we can't be stopped. and stack sats and use lightning too. as you're now beginning to see, we all want the same things.

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Nice really well said. I should have been more encouraging in my post, it can seem overly critical I kinda realized that after I made it. Overall it's great progress @Cyph3rp9nk, having an open mind and looking at these projects critically can be difficult when our own savings are involved.