The difference is that we already know gov will not allow, transact legally with privacy, and we build with this on mind. The real difference between Monerists and Bitcoiners is that Monerists are building tools that gov cant censor and real circular economy. Bitcoiners are building in a different way, they are build all the surveillance tools and opting out freedom improvements so gov accept bitcoin as money to pump the numbers up. There is circular economy (black markets), and there is the fake circular economy that bitcoiners allways talk, that is make businesses accept bitcoin, and my friend, you can call it whatever you want, but that circle bitcoiners are building will never be circular economy... Normal businesses accepting bitcoin is not circular economy, is joining bitcoin with state...