I got into it with a doctor a while ago but not sure if it was the same guy. I explained that vaccines are not based on science. There are no true experiments where health outcomes were compared between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Doctors that have tried lost their licenses to practice. The response I got was that it’s unethical to withhold treatment from patients. But how can withholding an unproven treatment be anymore unethical than giving an unproven treatment to someone? That’s the thing that makes all this quack science. They start with the assumption that vaccines work. That’s not science. Plus the evidence for contagion theory is nonsense anyway. They’ve yet to isolate a pure virus in nature lmao. All they have are viruses they’ve found in peoples bodies after the fact. For all we know the virus is a byproduct of disease not the cause.