what is your beef with spiral? and didn't rusty initiate bolt12 not them? I don't get it. i think it would be good if there was more "here are our use cases" discussions and see if we can map it into lightning instead of acting hostile toward lightning devs. why?

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Rusty did afaik yes, while Spiral did much of the NGO-level astroturf. Both representing minor implementations focused on the mobile node fantasy. I recall one such use-case in the repo discussion being Fedimint/Liquid related shitcoinery. Solving the transport of bolt11's would have been adequate if that wasn't their priority, not a whole new BOLT to poison the protocol-level. The shit that comes out of the NGO's and Blockstream have been a reliable counter-signal in every regard.