Bollocks. Most nodes are behind TOR, can't be traces to addresses or IPs, consume little electricity and bandwidth to standout in the crowd of consumers. If you mean that the state will check every house for electronic gadgets on a repeated basis, then we got a bigger problem which will beg for far more drastic measures against the state. All it takes for statism to die off is not to accept jobs for fiat, not to vote, not to pay taxes. No to protesting; yes to rejecting.
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Bitcoin the protocol is extralegal, no State can impose upon it. That is what makes it special, and money outside the State. Bitcoin the software running on your node, and the Bitcoin blockchain stored on your device, is NOT extralegal. States already can and do make laws about what software you are allowed to run and what data you are allowed to store, in their jurisdiction. They will throw you in prison for having prohibited software/data. Inviting the State to come and impose targeted legislation on #Bitcoin and #Bitcoiners like @npub1qh5s...eh9r does here, is fucking retarded. They don’t have to arrest everyone; they’ve just got to arrest enough people and publicise it enough to chill others from wanting to take the risk (ala Wallet of Satoshi and Breez withdrawing from US). Is James going to flee if Albo bans Bitcoin nodes in Australia? Albo is banning under 16s from social media for “won’t somebody please think of the children” - what, you think he won’t ban software that is “used for money laundering, financing terrorism, and openly circulates images of CP”? No, James will just stop running a node after a few stories hit the news, because James doesn’t want to go to prison; and that’s going to happen a lot so then Bitcoin becomes WAY more centralised. This is the same dumb shit as people saying they’ll tell the State they lost their keys in a boating accident if they come knocking - ok pleb, well you sit in this cell whilst the State destroys the lives of your entire family and see if you can remember that seed phrase.. The risk of spamming Bitcoin with CP and putting crosshairs on Bitcoiners is not worth it for whatever the blue haired faggs at Core are claiming they’re going to achieve, which honestly, they’ve articulated absolutely nothing. And if you think the State won’t fight back as their fiat currencies crumble, the very thing which underpins their legitimacy, instead of finding scapegoats in Bitcoiners who are now wealthy, and atomised, and easily picked off - then you’re NGMI. image
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It is estimated by some that half of ToR nodes are feds. So now think bigger: we are talking about bitcoin as a potential liberator of the global population from the claws of the global banking elite. Thinking the CSAM attack is not gonna happen is like thinking bitcoin isnt thát big of a threat to the banking elite.
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BitcoinIsFuture 2 months ago
Reading with understanding must be really hard? >If you mean that the state will check every house for electronic gadgets on a repeated basis "They don’t have to arrest everyone; they’ve just got to arrest enough people and publicise it enough to chill others from wanting to take the risk (ala Wallet of Satoshi and Breez withdrawing from US)."
I am not hinged by some fucks falling into FUD. I speak for myself and myself only: I rum behind TOR, and i won't be switching my gear till I die. Fuck the state, and fuck everyone,in closing Luke that defends the state.
Yes, but it is irrelevant to the fact that all adoption of bitcoin by institutions, corporations and countries will be stopped and most of them will also go back and stop allowing investment in btc or whatever service they allow/provide. How can u not see that? Did you not see how the world has come to its current state of affairs? Do you think banker elites have no control in the world?
States, state corporations and state institutions is the very thing bitcoin is meant to be counter balance to. I do not see that as a bug, but as a deliberate feature.
U lack a lot of insight about how the real world actually works and when change is and isnt possible. Ever heard of Hayek and his explanation that the powers that be would never allow a new truely hard currency of the people unless we sort or find a sly roundabout way to introduce it? Well, storing big loads of easy to view CSAM is not that 🤣🤣 U have to admit the powers that are in control will gladly take the CSAM argument to make the use of bitcoin near impossible, which in turn makes bitcoi lose 99% of its audience instantly . The full quote by Friedrich Hayek is, "I don't believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government, that is, we can't take them violently out of the hands of government, all we can do is by some sly roundabout way introduce something they can't stop". Hayek said this in a 1984 interview, and the quote is often interpreted in the context of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, which many believe fulfill his prediction for a decentralized, unstoppable form of money.
A sly roundabout way is this: get paid for your work in bitcoin, get your projects on bitcoin and pay others in bitcoin for the work you need from them. Stop interacting with the state and its mixed-economy aka socialist bullshit; go through the agora as much you can. This will become more evident with time and is what I follow with my own example. Bitcoin wasn't made by a state power to begin with, it was made by cypherpunks that wanted to dismantle its control over people. If people want the state to be there for them, then there's XRP. There's no need to gatekeep bitcoin; its unstructured simplicity is its strength. I don't buy into the FUD and will not upgrade my node till this shitty fiasco proves to be a nothing burger. I expect this to happen within 6-8 months. Let's see. I'll be here.
So u believe we dont need goverments to exist ? No police, no fire department, no public roads? Ur one of those libertarians that wants to reinvent the whole concept of governance? Because right after u abollish government you will start to form your own local government with your neighbourhood watch and then city level, and then beyond untill you once again end up with governments everywhere ;p Also, who will hire you and pay you in btc whe its considered an illegal CSAM dumpsterfire? Ur logic runs only one inch deep. Core has the same intellectual defficiency.
I have no doubt that the state will cease to exist and that centralized systems will collapse. Monopoly on money was the last thing that kept that ponzi scheme afloat. Now we have a precedent for decentralized money. Even if bitcoin in its current form gets destroyed, the idea that it is possible will never get destroyed. Here's a short list of imperatives that sheds light upon the possibilities of decentralized social/economic order based on free market and individual sovereignty:
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Imperatives for a Free-Market Anarchist Society 1. Recognize the principle of absolute self-ownership, securing each person’s control over their body and legitimately acquired property through voluntary exchange, homesteading, or contract. 2. Abolish all forms of coercive taxation and enforced redistribution; only voluntary contributions or contracts should fund goods and services. 3. Uphold and protect private property rights: Individuals and associations can own, use, and transfer property — including productive assets and capital goods — via voluntary means. 4. Enable individuals and local communities to organize and finance public infrastructure (such as roads, security, utilities) on a voluntary, stakeholder basis, so participation reflects actual use and support, not compulsory extraction. 5. Require stakeholder participation and voting rights in any capital venture, infrastructure, or collective enterprise. Voting power is derived from actual invested stake or voluntary membership, not geographic accident or state decree. 6. Foster unhampered free trade — permit the free exchange of goods, services, and capital across borders and boundaries without regulatory barriers, tariffs, or monopolistic restrictions. 7. Secure local security and order via cooperative, private, or neighborhood-based defense and dispute resolution; ensure these entities are accountable to and funded by direct stakeholders, not external authorities. 8. Encourage transparency, open access, and participatory governance in any shared resource or infrastructure, letting direct users decide rules and access policies proportionate to their voluntary contribution or ownership. 9. Affirm freedom of association and secession: any individual or group may exit infrastructural, economic, or security arrangements at any time, taking their stake and property without penalty beyond contractual obligations. 10. Promote capital formation and public goods through bottom-up, opt-in mechanisms — cooperatives, DAOs, private contract pools, or other voluntary, distributed models aligned with technical and cryptoeconomic best practices. These steps align with a sovereignty-first, open-source, and voluntarily networked approach to social order, property, and mutual provisioning.
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But apart from the fringe 0.1% that has the same view as you, do you really believe there will not instantly form a new government as soon as the old one is abollished or collapses? Because history shows you that your scenario never happened, ever, because 99.99% of people want to feel as secure as they possibly can. Its not something magical that happens, its the people themself that form their own new governments when there is no one to protect them.
The answer is simple: we never had bitcoin. Satoshi's words "the network is robust in its unstructured simplicity". Why do you think we, all of sudden, need gate keepers that will introduce structure to the network? Are you really afraid that some dumb jpegs fiasco is capable of erasing the idea that for the first time in history solved the Byzantine General's problem in trustless decentralised fashion? Do you not apprehend what that entails for humanity? Well, then, I have nothing more to say to you, cause you're infected with fiat slave mentality.