I am always impressed with Craig Raw's take. It's hard for me to find though, usually a recording of a conference panel.
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He was just on Watchman the other day. Great listen.
Listen to 163 - Craig Raw: Sparrow Wallet Post-Whirlpool from Watchman Privacy wherever you get your podcasts!
https://episodes.fm/1565412491/episode/MGUyMzFlNTYtMWM4Yi00MTY0LWJmMzUtOTVlMzNjZGZkOGY1?view=apps&sort=popularity