One point that was driven home over and over again in every OPSEC briefing that I ever had in the military was that "nations do not have allies, they have interests." Why should the USA support Israel? What does the tiny, far away nation of Israel have to offer us in exchange for that support?

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And even then. Why can't we be allies and say "hey... I'm this situation I think you're being fucked up. And I don't want to support this." Why do we need to be in any of this? They've been fighting this fight for thousands of years and 50 years of us being allies hasn't changed a thing. I don't think any more years are going to do much more. I don't support Hamas. And as we saw with 9/11 if something targets us we'll retaliate whether other countries think we are just it not. So I don't think Israel by their own mind is wrong in that sense, but why do I have to support your flight when I think you're doing fucked up shit that probably triggered it in the first place, let alone what You're doing in retaliation is by far in order of magnitude force beyond what was done to you in the first place? How can you surgically strike 1 general in a car in some city countries away, but when it's your own people you have to bomb building where theres "no way not to have collateral damage"? Again I'm not saying they're wrong to them. To me yes. That's why I disagree. I'm not going to stop you. That's your war your business. But I'm not going to send you a dime until it's done.
I would consider USA Israel an honest friendship with massive implications. Intel didn't invest in a new fab there for no reason.
Do you even know what the fuck happened in 1915? Do you even know what's happening in Pakistan? How many millions died creating Pakistan? Just go country by country and read it's History and ongoing conflicts. Then blame the Jews 🀑
And whose forcing some to live in a tiny box? All I'm saying bruh is both sides do terrible things. And as someone far from that conflict. I don't want a part of it on either side. No matter how much you say one side is more wing than the other. I don't want to pay you. To kill people. You get me?
And even then. My argument is I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT. IT'S ALL FUCKING WRONG SO DON'T ASK ME FOR HELP. MONEY. OR ANYTHING. UNTIL YOU FIGURE IT OUT OR WIPE EACH OTHER OUT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T FUCKING FIGURE YOUR SHIT OUT.
And Jordan and Egypt are wrong for doing that. And Muslims are won't for killing each other because some are more Orthodox than others. What part of that means I need to give tanks to one side vs the other?
Where are the Jews in the other countries spanning 500m people and a continents worth of land? 60+% of Jews in Israel are ARAB JEWS...FROM ARAB LANDS...WHO GOT SLAUGHTERED THERE FOR NO REASON AND LEFT
And that's why I should have no part in it. 🀷🏽 That's your issue too figure out Bibi. Stop involving the world. Maybe what needs to happen is the whole is the middle east, they need to shut down for a while. Like when you're returning a house right? Shut out down. No media. Let us forget about you for a month or so. Tent the place. Figure yourself out. Then come back strong. The hottest new nightclub in town. No longer a 2 star yelp review. You can piss on the Berlin wall in the men's urinal!
I think so too. But I hope very much not. Peace is always best. But when it's ingrained in your head that your enemy is less than you, or (to pull imagery from what happened to them, which is very Relevant to what they're doing to others now) less than human equating you to vermin and roaches... Actually yeah not just the Nazi allusion here didn't Bibi say "we are the children of the light and they are the darkness" or something? Next the Israelites will be saying " I was only doing what I was told"
Point is no money from me for your studies amounts your own people. "They're not my people" ok maybe not. I would argue they used to be. But I'll give you that one. But as much as I am American living basically in Mexico now here in LA, I don't hate Hispanic people. I don't want immigrants to not be here. I don't want them to come illegally. I have many issues with consequences from them coming here. But they are home beings. And I gave to get along as it goes either way. 🀷🏽
I disagree with the don't want to work party. I do think they are people like that. But from what I've experienced in LA they will out work you every single day. The free shit you hit the nail on the head. That's the part I have a huge problem with. I'm like why am I paying for your toddlers dental health? I don't have any kids. Why I gotta pay for yours? I pray my own dental because my insurance don't do that. Why you get it off a me?
That's fine, but then you should probably have issues with more than just Israel bud. Why didn't you have this energy before? Maybe Saudi bombing Yemen didn't matter to you? Half of a million people dead.
And do I support them? I don't understand why you're trying to say one sides fucked up shit is more righteous than the other. You can polish a turd but all You're going to end up with it's a shiny turd. 🀷🏽 I criticize everyone I see as wrong once I have the info to back up my thoughts.
My immediate thought is that it’s just a good way to control and monitor what’s happening in the Middle East. Like a proxy country but also one that you can funnel money through for wars and weapons.
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szarka 1 year ago
The Dems used to be antiwar in the same way that the GOP used to be the party of fiscal restraint: mostly talk, but at least they did pretend to care.
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