Seems like the current silly drama on nostr isn't done yet x3
Here's a gist of the true state of things regarding Bitcoin Lightning and eCash:
1. Lighting is either centralized or decentralized
1.1. Decentralized if I open a channel with another
1.2. Centralized if I'm under a channel point
2. eCash/CashU is either centralized or decentralized
2.1. Decentralized if you make your own eCash tokens on the channel you opened with another, that's sent to the other point in the channel, where it'd be redeemed and transferred to confirm
2.2. Centralized if you make your eCash tokens on another's channel point
People developing and advancing Lighting or eCash are not developing centralized or decentralized solutions; they're developing tools that can be used for both.
I can give my Bitcoin to someone, and they can keep a log of me "giving" some of it to someone else that they'd "receive", resulting in a scenario where Bitcoin became centralized (calm down, this is just an example to deliver a point =P)
The resulting centralization or decentralization is based on user action.
Where do we go from here?
- Bitcoin is fine.
- Creating LN channels sucks ass, so many just lean towards using centralized providers with low-volume money (of their own money), so hopefully people can figure out a way to make it less ass.
- Considering the masses of LN users are using it in a centralized way, users of eCash would, of course, follow along that path; however, because of the nature of eCash, in many cases, it weakens the centralization of LN by spreading the funds across multiple different central LN nodes, at least initially, assuming the user doesn't group them into one single LN central node.
- So eCash isn't 'the' issue in the grand scheme of things, but rather the ass-ness of creating LN channels. So until that's figured out (how to make it less ass or a different solution entirely), that's the state of LN and eCash; both being either in a state of decentralization or centralization for each user.
On a different note:
Regarding Primal, I don't use it much, but it isn't a centralized nostr thing. It's like any other nostr client, they just use a caching server that the user can (I think, can't recall) turn off or swap, like how it's done with DEG Mods, simply to enhance the user experience, and you can put your custom LN address, as well as hook up your NWC on it.
Side note:
I'm not sure if I talked about any of this before, so I might have repeated myself. Hopefully I don't forget and end up repeating myself again in the future when this silly drama happens again x3