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Vibe coding could be as transformative as steam power, and it's unleashing a gold rush where the space of prospecting is ideas. Let's talk about idea men. An "idea man" is a pejorative, implying someone who only has ideas, they never get off the ground, they're stuck dreaming, and even living in those dreams without caring enough to bring them to fruition. Imagine you're someone in the 1800s who dreams of running a large textile factory but there just isn't the power nearby to run the mill. No powerful rivers, no steady winds. Steam power comes in to the picture and turns a power problem into a much smaller more manageable people problem. Vibe coding lowers the cost of coding which is a lot like increasing humanity's coding power. Now idea men who couldn't see coding their own prototype from scratch or hiring a bunch of devs and pitching the venture capital can literally type their idea into a tool like Shakespeare. They can go through revisions in hours rather than weeks and months. They now have the power to address market needs in a day.. Often I've felt like an idea man. I keep a lot of them around and always come up with new ones, but I've had too many interests to give each idea the time it needed in the pre-vibe-coding era. A few days with Shakespeare is like installing a big new steam power plant. Now each idea isn't a burden, it's an opportunity. Which leads me to ask the community.... What do you want to see? If idea people are now empowered, bring out your best armchair coding ideas and let's talk about them. Doesn't take more than a motion and a second to try an idea out. Everyone has used better and worse apps. What is something in an app, any app that you use now that could take a better form that you saw before? I'm posting this on Nostr and Nostr only but if this is such a transformative force then we should think bigger. There are billions out there dying to use what we come up with here, and by instilling out values of decentralization, freedom, and self-sovereignty we can do more with our apps than 1,000 protests and campaigns. What do you say? #vibestr

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npub1ztnm...y48l 4 months ago

explain to me vibe coding is this a platform for iterative coding on nostr or a crowdsourced software development or AI coding tool or what?

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STERRY 4 months ago

Vibe coding takes a couple forms. The one I'm talking about is where you chat with a chatbot, telling it what you want in an app and it makes it. It literally gives you a link where you can see what it made, then test it and tell the bot what to fix or add. Shakespeare is the best one I've tried and knows about nostr so I've used it to make a couple apps

Analyze Your Relays - Check relay performance and overlap from your browser

Check relay performance and overlap from your browser. Test and compare latency and bandwidth performance when loading kind:1 notes from your follo...

and

NostRecall - Review Your Notes

Review your notes to pick up on past conversations, boost your best content and remember important info.

I only did a minimum of changing some wording. The rest came from the tool when I asked for it. Does that answer your question or are you thinking of something specific?

BITKARROT bitkarrot@nostr.com 4 months ago

I actually wish for more people to pay attention to the fundamentals, but I fear we are entering an era where cutting corners and chasing the sun is needed to survive.

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Jeroen Ubbink jeroen@blackbyte.nl 4 months ago

I think it's a bit early to call this as transformative as a steam engine. For starters a steam engine is, compared to vibe coding a significantly simpler concept, where you only need few parts that are available plenty. You can explain the steam engine concept in a school and students can easily grasp this, building this yourself requires mediocre knowledge, materials and resources (money). I think the comparison here should be the output required by the end product of the steam engine (kinetic energy) vs vibecoding. Yes most people can use the kinetic energy just like they can use the output of llm's (one of them being vibecoding), but building a steam engine is significantly easier, simpler and more scalable then producing an infrastructure that enables vibecoding. Building a vibecoding infrastructure from scratch requires massive amounts of resources, only available to big companies. Building your own is too expensive and complex, so since there are only a handful of people (large companies) able to do this i see much less innovation on that end and much faster stagnation. I don't disagree that it is great to quickly churn out apps (or PoC's at least) but it will mostly benefit the companies offering the infrastructure and much less humanity as a whole.

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Jeroen Ubbink jeroen@blackbyte.nl 4 months ago

Well about a year ago vibe coding was not even a thing so let's give it a few years. I can't deny that assistive llm's have made code production a lot faster, if not yet accessible for everyone. The biggest concern that i have are the fundamentals of the llm's being really complex and totally not accessible to 99,999% of the population. Here is where innovation and improvement is needed the most. If you want big improvements you need people that can tinker in their basement with simple parts.

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BITKARROT bitkarrot@nostr.com 4 months ago

the best thing about LLMs is that now I don't have to answer nontechnical pleb q's. its great. just point them at the LLM as a self learning tool and they are willing to pay for it instead of just mooching precious time off of devs

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Jeroen Ubbink jeroen@blackbyte.nl 4 months ago

Oh yeah i recommend a lot of people to try it as well but i find it really annoying that this tech cannot really be created by anyone. So we rely on the owners of the services. They giveth and they taketh away. They will also start asking for your age because they can easily be strongarmed by the almighty EU. My point being that i am waiting for the moment that this does not have to be a service by big companies only.

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STERRY 4 months ago

China with deepseek seems to be pursuing an open source strategy. I know the devil's in the details but self-hosting seems to be possible near the state of the art. There may be a kind of global detente in that sense. Since this post I'm thinking that the scarcity now is in smart and honest people leveraging these tools.

STERRY 4 months ago

Thank you for bringing up the points of simplicity and buildability for oneself. As someone who values their own infrastructure, self-reliance and free software, I'll have to think more about that. Admittedly I shot this article from the hip yesterday morning but I still like the comparison. Steam engines made it possible to put a ton of cheap energy to use in ways that were straightforward to think about. Vibe coding (Shakespeare at least) does this with ideas. It unlocks all software ideas in the straightforward way of chat-plus-web-link. Maybe the next thing to vibe code is an easy way to get it running wholly on my laptop.