whether you believe the “spook” memes or not, Saylor is so clearly using his influence to pull up the ladder behind him it baffles me he still has any simps left.
and fml it’s clear he doesn’t even understand wtf what he’s talking about whenever he tries to put forward the most palatable version of this take he can come up with.
stripped of “spacetime laser energy” trimmings, his actual take is: “ossify now, scale with custodians, number go up if you’re already in.”
that’s not an entirely unreasonable position, but it needs to be identified more clearly, weighed up mindfully of his technical illiteracy around consensus and forks, and argued against more forcefully in light of these realisations.
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What is he saying now?
combination of the godawful WBD and a flurry of private conversations people have felt compelled to relate in its wake.
He gives away for free his corporate strategy. Sponsors a BTC conference for business to anyone who wishes to come. Appears on podcasts and media extolling the virtues of bitcoin. He has a large stack in his own name. He helps promote plebs with sound signal with his voice.
He wants bitcoin to proceed with slow, cautious, considered “improvements”. He wants everyone who joins the bitcoin network from individual to company to state to country to adopt it and realign their economic actions towards collaboration versus conflict.
Sounds like a good framework to me.
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Saylor believes in and likes the state and the USD.
He, also, likes Bitcoin.
He made some good points about Bitcoin and I think is very smart on what he did with microstrategy.
Excellent take.
Add: He helps developers to explore Bitcoin. Most comprehensive courses on Bitcoin out there are offered for free by the Saylor Academy.
https://learn.saylor.org/course/CS120Allen is dead on here. Anyone who listened to Saylor’s WBD interview, it’s abundantly clear his true position is “ossify now”. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth, and tries to cloak his perspective in ever more inane metaphors, but he is clearly hostile to ever changing bitcoin.
And coming from a man who has ostensibly been running a software company for decades, it reveals a staggering ignorance about how software actually works.
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"Ossify now, scale with custodians, number go up if you're already in"
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It’s funny to me how many bitcoiners
tout the protocol’s design as “anti-democratic” and how we’re all “sovereign Individuals” only to get mad when someone doesn’t go along with them.
Maybe it would be easier if we just accepted we’re all collectivists now.
So what do you think should happen? Be specific
Here’s an example of what he seems to be concerned with. Why do you believe that he is technically illiterate?
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He thinks devs control Bitcoin. He sounds EXACTLY like the big blockers during the blocksize wars. Ultimately a super majority of users picking the software they want to run is what determines what Bitcoin is.
how does Saylor stop you from contributing to bitcoin?
you are begging
all he's saying is don't try whacky shit on the base layer , be ultra cautious. just because he doesn't want to personally donate money to Devs is his philosophy, there's many things he doesn't donate too
Saylor is right.
The introduction of new opcodes is associated with unexpected and potentially critical risks.
Saylor advocates building on layer 2. His position is spot-on afaic.
it's astonishing that people come away with takes like this, when Saylor speaks...
To help clarify his actual position:
https://m.primal.net/IOHn.mp4 This obsession with calling anyone who agrees broadly with Saylor's views a simp is childish honestly. I've been here multiple cycles, I've put the time in. I've just watched shitcoinery on the base layer explode since Taproot and I'm in no mood for more major changes any time soon.
Cry harder
Stack harder
good thing I didn’t do that then?
It’s true that users control the nodes, but core devs control bitcoin core and we have no other software options right now. It’s essentially a software monopoly.
And if we being honest, we’ll admit that most users don’t really know what’s in the version they install. I just hope users stay vigilant. It seems to me that users are too trusting in this area.
It’s funny that you mentioned the blocksize wars. You do realize that the UASF was written and promoted by core devs to avoid being “fired” by the big blockers, right?
It was framed as a war between users and big commercial interests, but it was actually a war between core devs and big commercial interests. I’m glad the core devs won. They were correct. But we can’t fool ourselves and say that they didn’t wield power and it was all users. Nobody knows how many users were ready to support the UASF because the miners capitulated before the deadline.
The blocksize wars are framed as a big win by users but you can see that’s really not the case. All we know is that miners do not control the network. We don’t know if the core devs do because this has never been tested.
Youre exactly right about user not knowing what's in the version they run, but this can be easily remedied.
There needs to be a resource explaining the difference in versions written for the lay user.
This alone won't hold the line though. We need more miners. If #Bitcoin is freedom money, then a miner is the equivalent of an AK-47.
Totally agree. We need to decentralize all the parts.
In addition to explaining what in the software, we need alternatives that people can install if they don’t like what’s in it.
The problem is that software must be constantly updated to make sure it runs on the latest operating systems. Right now there is bitcoin core software and only core.
As a user you’ll be forced to upgrade eventually to core’s version. You don’t have another alternative. You can delay for a while, but eventually you’ll be forced to upgrade.
Core devs do not control core. Everyone can see it, open PRs, review changes, and there are no automatic updates. They only control one GitHub repository. They cannot make anyone do anything.
Drop into Claude and you get a pretty good explanation that’s pretty straightforward
Most people use custodians and I don't think this will change.
Is it worth listening to that WBD episode?
Claude?
After all the fallen bitcoin heroes, you would think that plebs learned… “Dont trust, very” or “Slay your heroes” all that and more mantras on BT and just go for short visit there and the amount of simps is not smaller oh no, its growing. The amount of simps he has is staggering. Im starting to think Bitcoiners truly are the dumbest bunch. A lot of people stopped learning and prefers to have a person to listen. Maybe its long bear market, maybe just laziness or apathy or maybe many of us are just this fucking dumb
It's just more people, I suspect. Not that the previous ones turned into simps.
Yes, many became Saylor simps
Oh, wow, okay. Geez, that hurts. 😬
Riiiiiight… they don’t control it, they just control what goes it it. The one GitHub repository, because it’s the only one that exists. It’s our only choice, because they have a monopoly.
Maybe you don’t run a node? because if you did, you would know that you must install new versions to keep up with operating system updates and bug fixes.
So yes, they can make people upgrade. Unless you’re telling me that people will stop upgrading their computers.
You should stop parroting simplistic messages that you were told and dig into the details. Bitcoiners need critical thinking skills. Trust BUT VERIFY. We’re talking about the system that protects the worlds savings and our hope for the future.
Btw, another example why you are forced to upgrade. (Unless you want to run a version with known vulnerabilities.)
The core devs are now pushing everyone to upgrade to 25 so they can disclose the vulnerabilities.
https://bitcoinops.org/en/newsletters/2024/06/07/?ref=nobsbitcoin.com#upcoming-disclosure-of-vulnerabilities-affecting-old-versions-of-bitcoin-core
