The problem I believe with most bitcoiner or any crypto person is they talk about fundamentals more than technicals. Also they feel as the fundamentals is strong so it's a good product market fit. Another argument can be made here that nearly a decade has gone and there is still no way to have privacy in transactions or even do transactions at all as it's slow. Lightning is garbage, most knows who ran a lightning node themselves. Bitcoin, Monero, ETH guys fail to understand that whatever they are building may be really fundamentally sound but most use it to get fiat rich. Meanwhile cross border payments, small donations, peer to peer payments for services/products are being done with USDT on Tron. Unfortunate reality.