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If you take actions based on what is "cool", YAGMI.

Just checking in on some opinions, was away for a few months :)

Knots is at 15% and climbing so things are still unfolding

And no sign of core changing their behaviour on this?

Nope, absolutely no change in sight and no acknowledgement that they might have communicated/handled the whole thing in a much better way (which is really what a lot of people wanted after this whole thing). Seems like this episode woke a lot of people up in 1) taking action to run a node, and 2) realizing we cannot depend wholly on core, we need more alternatives Oh, and Peter Todd has somehow became even more insufferable

Thanks for the sum up. I still run core v28.0 at the moment, did't touch or update, wanted to wait for the dust to settle a bit. Its difficult to find out what exactly is going on 🫠From my understanding, increasing the opreturn limit isnt such a bad thing, since nodes can just ignore that data, so its more of a political thing of core being assholes then a technical issue...right?

No worries man anytime. I actually agree with Core on increasing the op-return limit (because I want the market to push scams out rather than force it "by law", I think is the best possible and long-lasting defense). But the way core handled the issue is very worrying because: 1- it was very much a "this is technical issue, you are not technical so you have no opinion in the matter, and we are doing it withouth checking what the community think first. Also let's ban people and close the discussion". This approach leds only to misery in the long.term 2- statements from core devs like "btc is not money is a database for whatever" and "scams don't exist, if they pay fee it's a valid transcation like any other" are worrying as fuck, what the fuck is this shit all of a sudden? So even if core was right in the "what", it was incredibly wrong in the "how and why" (and in my opinion is the "how and why" that bring success in the long-term) and this is why I switched to Knots, to send a signal to core that they need to really reconsider their approach and to help decentralized away from core monopoly To conclude, we always say that btc is an ego challenge first and foremost. After having Knots going from less than 1% to 15% in not even 2 months, and Ocean pool doubling its hashrate in the same period, I was hoping for a statement from core like "ok we realized we could have handled the situation better and we see the feedback from the community". This would have earned core 1000 points in respect and regained some trust. Instead they seem to ignore completely and stick to their initial stance that "everything was handled perfectly", seems a childish and arrogant behaviour. So for me is neither a technical nor a political issue, it's a an approach-behavioural issue. What do you think man?

I think you are right, the main issue I see is that we don't really have a mature well maintained alternative bitcoin implementation. Knots is just a fork of core, maintained by basically one guy (also with ego issues imo), so its not a long term solution, unless it attracts more developers. I will probably also start running knots, just to signal the disagreement, but then what, lets say core "apologizes", we all switch back to core and wait for the next dispute again. I really like libbitcoin, since its a total rewrite and an actual alternative, but its still not a full user friendly implementation... so yeah, idk to be honest 😅

That’s a pretty twisted view of knots. It’s 14 years old. Core has loads of dEveLoPErs. Look at what a shitshow it’s turned into.

Can you elaborate more on why its a twisted view and how does the age contribute here, if its mostly following core... I didn't come across it before the opreturn debate, but just as a newcomer to the github repo it looks like there arent any contributers (see righthand side, under the release), not sure why this is hidden on the repo - its usually visible in repos with more contributers. Im not trtying to shit on this, just trying to get more opinions... I think its great that knots exists and that there is an alternative, I just cant be convinced at the moment that this is some final solution. Its good to have conversations about this imo...

Luke has been contributing code to bitcoin since 2011. Along the way shitcoin group think has seeped into core fucking it up. Luke just takes all of the good ideas being contributed and unfucks it. Knots is the antidote so spammy mission drift.

They are all cool to run. Just watch. Core is for children, developers that want to play around, those that like centralized group think and alt coiners. Knots is the best and the clear winner for serious Bitoin node runners and miners. #mynodemychoice #bitcoin #lightning

Nothing is that bad until something goes bad. Please don’t change the code just for fun nor to store data on the bitcoin blockchain. Money is the highest and best use case for Bitcoin. The great Saint Satoshi Nakamoto said “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.”

Did you guys hear the news? \ Every Core developer that contributes also contributes to Knots. So Knots actually has all of the core developers PLUS LUKE. Luke has been in Bitcoin longer than any Developer at Core. And on my short list of knowledge about him… He has saved bitcoin more than anyone else out there. I will follow the guy based upon action not ego. Who cares if he has a big ego? My favorite sports players have big ego’s but when you keep winning… I want to be on the winning team. What about you?

Well said man. I would have had to change my opinion on them also if they would’ve admitted to stop the b.s. Cant win em all. Knots for life!

nostr:nprofile1qqsv248tente02x05c25sdkxmwnsg8a55ql9msa64ewx0esuxzr8v9qprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wdmksetjv5hxxmmdqythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnrw4e8yetwwshxv7tfqy28wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hsyhrmvh do you maybe know if knots can just replace core (without resync, modifications to bitcoin.conf, etc...)?

nostr:nprofile1qqs9g6ujf76hkxemyscfy3j6wsen75mwrzl5dmrrlk78xttt2uvh98gpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctc9jdh26 Yes, I have upgraded from Core to Bitcoin Knots on Start 9 and Umbrel. Both did not need a new block download.

I set up a new umbrel with knots, syncing nicely. But on another umbrel that already had core, it doesn't look like its a drop in replacement, as a test I tried to run knots in parallel, but it started syncing from 0, so I guess umbrel assignes a different datadir. I have to test this a bit more, but it looks like if I uninstall the Bitcoin (core) app it will also delete the blockchain and knots will then just start syncing from scratch...

I am getting old and forgetful. i forgot that Knots required a new install. I ran them both at the same time so I thought that you could just upgrade. Thanks for letting me know. That's valuable info.

Actually there is a way: https://docs.mempool.guide/page/migrationumbrel.html You just have to stop both, copy the data, and then run knots. Since its basically the same software, the structure in the datadir is compatible..

Now this is the way that it should be done! Before Umbrel 1.0 it used to be a little more complicated if you weren’t used to command line (and I wasn’t) Bitcoin apps just keeps getting better and better.