The latest trend among bitcoineirs is asking monerobros how many transactions happen on LN or "give me a LN transaction", the issue there is of course no one can tell if there is a script kid sending millions of LN payments back and forth to itself, making this a useless debate that does not measure any meaningful economic activity, nor its privacy.
What you can do on the other hand, is actually provide them real world data of real economic activity, which we do have, like shopinbit's latest volume data:
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ShopinBit (@shopinbit) on X
January 2025 Payment Stats are in! 🚀
Once again, Monero takes the lead! 🔥
Here’s how payments broke down last month:
#Monero : 56.3%
#Bit...
You can easily see that Monero :default: takes the lead on January 2025 at 56.3% of their volume of payments, while LN ⚡ does a mere 0.4%. That's a really low tx count for real economic activity, plus a really low anon set and not much privacy if you think those users either use custodial wallets or are connected to a large LSP, or even if doing LN perfectly, they are still a small crowd.
Next time a bitcoiner challenges you, challenge them to create a real world business, take LN and Monero as payment, and tell us how it goes! We already have the data, now it's their turn to complete the challenge.
If you want to try a Monero-based nostr client, check out
@npub1m0st...02vt and if you want to get some XMR KYC free, I recommend robosats or retoswap. And share this with a bitcoiner friend
they also have plans to take #monero :default: as payment directly. when they do this, they will be the *first* company to be pro-privacy and pro-freedom money to tap across many different markets: search, mail, AI, indieweb, translating, web browsers, and more. not only they'll be a better deal than proton, tutanota, or any other competitor that have failed to accept cypherpunk money in all those years, they'll be an easy recommendation for anyone starting their digital privacy journey. the future is bright :beer: