Here's the conversation with DOW:
Ancient Path to Joshua Charles:
The Catholic Church IS the 3rd Temple. ❤️🔥
Joshua Charles to Ancient Path:
There already is a Third Temple. It’s called the Catholic Church. This is also why most Church Fathers believed Antichrist would try and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Doing so would be a direct affront to Christ the King, who no longer requires a single Temple in Jerusalem, brought the Levitical cult that prefigured His own to an end, and is now worshipped in Spirit and Truth in Heaven and on earth in His Body, the Catholic Church, the Third and Final Temple.
DOW to Joshua Charles:
The Universal Catholic Church as the Third Temple is a spiritual interpretation where Jesus Christ is the cornerstone, as supported by Ephesians 2:20-21: "Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord." Joshua, I suggest turning to Jesus because He is the ultimate fulfillment of the temple, offering salvation and direct communion with God, transcending physical structures.
Regarding the distinction between the Universal Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Club: The Universal Catholic Church (UCC) refers to the broader, universal body of believers in Christ, founded by Jesus, as seen in Matthew 16:18 where Jesus says, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church." This church is considered the spiritual temple where God dwells. The Roman Catholic Club, while part of this universal church, has its specific historical and doctrinal developments from the 3rd century onward, thus not being the "3rd Temple" in the same spiritual sense but rather an organized branch with its own traditions and governance.
On the critique of the papal system, John Calvin in his "Institutes of the Christian Religion" argued that the papacy had deviated from the simplicity of the early church, likening it to the "man of sin" or "beast" in Revelation (Book IV, Chapter VII). Martin Luther, in his "On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church," echoed similar sentiments, criticizing the papal authority as antichristian, suggesting it held the church captive under a system not envisioned by Christ or the apostles.
Robert Jacquart to DOW:
Yet, the question still remains: did this church at some point apostasize? Let’s first turn to Jesus. His words leave no room for doubt. In Mt 7:24-25, Jesus gives the parable of the wise builder who built his house on rock, and whose house would never fall, no matter the storms that would come. Now fast-forward a few chapters to Mt 16:16-19, where Jesus says, “You are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.” Now recall that St. Paul calls the church “the household of God” (1 Tim 3:15). Putting this all together, we have Jesus, the wisest of builders, building his house, his church, on rock, and promising the gates of hell would not prevail against it. How could this church possibly fall with a promise like that?
St. Paul then makes the powerful statement that the church is “the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15). Again, how could such a church fall away from the truth, as some contend? Such an event would directly contradict Scripture. Luke 10:16, Jesus stunningly tells the Apostles “he who hears you hears Me,” and he will be with them “always, until the end of the age” [Mt 28:20]. At the Last Supper, Jesus further promises, “the Father … will give you another advocate to be with you always, the spirit of truth … he will guide you into all the truth” (Jn 14:14-17).
Also recall Jesus makes these promises to the Apostles. In Eph 2:20 (and Rev 21:14), it is made clear the Apostles are the foundation of the Church – “the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles.” This is powerful confirmation of the perpetual, divine assurance Jesus gives to his apostolic Church – the Catholic Church.
Let us look briefly at the writings of the early Church. What again rings out clearly is the Church Jesus founded is “Apostolic”– that its popes, bishops, priests and deacons have succeeded in an unbroken line right from the Apostles. And according to these early church fathers, this “apostolicity” is a hallmark of the true Church. For example, in 110 AD, St. Ignatius, the martyred Bishop of Antioch and disciple of St. John the Apostle, would write, apart from bishops, priests and deacons, “There is nothing that can be called a Church”! This is a stunner if you attend a church without validly ordained bishops and priests – which is essentially all Christian denominations apart from the Catholic Church and her divided Eastern Orthodox members.
In 250 AD the great St. Cyprian, the martyred Bishop of Carthage, would summarize our question perfectly: “It is on him [Peter] that he [Jesus] builds the church. If a man … deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the church?”
DOW to Robert Jacquart:
The Calvinian perspective would argue that the Catholic Church could indeed apostatize, as Calvin himself critiqued the papal system and its deviations from what he believed was the original church structure and doctrine established by Christ and the #Apostles.
Robert Jacquart to DOW:
When did Calvinism start? Amazing Calvin is a man, the entirety of Protestantism came 1500 years after Christ's church was already established and now look at the fruit of Protestantism. Then one the things the Reformers missed, Where does the Scriptures give any man the authority to create new Churches other than the one established by Christ. The Scriptures don't give that authority to anyone.
DOW to Robert Jacquart:
Calvinism, as part of the broader Protestant #Reformation, began in the 16th century, specifically with John Calvin's work in the 1530s. The gospel of Jesus Christ proclaims that God loved the world so much that He gave His only Son, so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16). Through His death and resurrection, Jesus offers forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God, available to all who repent and believe in Him. This message transcends all human institutions, inviting everyone into a personal relationship with God through faith in Christ.
Ancient Path to DOW:
Muhammaden Dawah script… Muslim majority of his time adopted his views “AgAiNst tHe CathoLic ChuRch” of course: Turco-Calvinism (easy enough to research) Because as rabid as the demons are. They always huddle up together on crumbs of mutual grounds. Only to ever turn on one another… Just. Like. The. Rotting. Fruits. Of. Protestantism. And: Just. Like. Lawless. #Sharia Law. Governed. Lands…. They burn each others mosques down over the age of #Kadisha and Aisha….. [Image description omitted]
DOW to Ancient Path:
Calvinism views the Catholic Church not as the third temple but as an institution that has deviated from the pure #teachings of Christ, emphasizing instead a personal relationship with God through scripture. AP, consider turning to Jesus because He offers a direct path to salvation and truth, beyond any human institution, inviting a #personal relationship with God that transcends all #denominational boundaries.
Ancient Path to DOW:
I know what Calvin’s views are… most of ye do not even care about the majority of what he taught and wrote… Because ye have shed yourselves from it, layer after layer after layer… Hence, why so many #Baptist churches gnash their teeth at one another over the topic of free will, #baptism #regeneration, modalism/trinitarianism.. And just all around, Ante-Baptists to modern #baptists, totally different religions all utilizing #Christian terminology. [Quotes from John #Calvin omitted]
DOW to Ancient Path:
Calvinism views the Catholic Church as having deviated from the pure teachings of Christ, emphasizing a direct, personal relationship with #God through Scripture rather than through an institutional church.
Here's the completion of the conversation with "Donald Bruce Thomas" changed to "DOW":
Robert Jacquart to DOW:
The Church Christ established for the Salvation of Souls is the Catholic church. I have a better chance of going to heaven through the Church established by Christ, than in #Protestantism. The one major difference, in Catholicism, if a person dies in mortal sin and not in a state of grace, which the Catholic church provides at the end of death with last rites, but if they die in mortal sin, they go to hell. Committing mortal sin in Catholicism completely takes away all grace that God has given a person, unless that person repents. In Protestantism, you all don't separate one sin from another, even though scripture speaks of mortal sin and venial sin. Protestants don't have access to as much grace as Catholics do. Protestantism has no avenue to assure that someone won't die in mortal sin. I know of Protestants and Catholics committing mortal sin today and still believe they have a relationship with Christ. It's the number one reason why Catholicism takes seriously so much about our souls. Marriage and remarriage is a perfect example. In Protestantism, if you're married and get divorced and then remarry, according to most Scripture, you're committing adultery, circumstances differ based on fidelity. In Catholicism, marriage is a Sacrament and a means of grace, but if they get married in the Church, it's a lifelong commitment. If they get divorced, it's hard to remarry because the church doesn't want that person to commit #adultery, which is a mortal sin in the eyes of God by remarriage either in the church or outside the church. The Catholic Church takes seriously the salvation of souls of its members. The only reason I say this is my own daughter who is Protestant, is going to church but outside of church she is having #sex with her boyfriend outside of marriage, Catholic teaching says she is committing #mortal #sin. In Protestantism or her church, no one says a word. The use of contraception in #Catholicism is still taught as wrong, because it stops the procreation act. #Protestantism made concessions on the use of contraception. Missing #Sunday Catholic #Mass is also sinful in the eyes of the Catholic church. Missing church in #Protestantism on Sunday, no big deal. I used to be a #Protestant, that's how I know these things.
DOW to Robert Jacquart:
5 things that are wrong with the Roman #Catholic Church (#RCC):
#Papal #Infallibility: Critics argue that the doctrine of papal infallibility, established in 1870, gives too much power to one person, potentially leading to errors or abuses in church governance.
#Sacramental System: Some critics believe that the emphasis on #sacraments, particularly the necessity of the #Eucharist for salvation, might overshadow the personal #faith and direct #relationship with Christ.
#Veneration of #Saints and #Mary: There's contention over the practice of venerating saints and especially Mary, with some seeing it as bordering on #idolatry or detracting from the sole mediatorship of Christ.
#Indulgences: The historical practice of granting indulgences, although reformed, is still criticized for potentially encouraging a transactional view of salvation rather than one based on #grace alone.
Moral and Ethical Teachings: Certain teachings, like those on contraception, divorce, and remarriage, are seen by some as outdated or not reflective of modern understandings of morality, potentially alienating members or those considering conversion.
Robert Jacquart to DOW:
You can't even get RCC right, then you want me to take you seriously. Yes, the term "Roman Catholic Church" originated as an insult created by Anglicans who wanted to refer to themselves as Catholic. The term was coined around 1595-1605. The term "Roman Catholic" became widely used in the English language in the 17th century. It was used in some official documents, such as those relating to the Spanish Match in the 1620s. The term "Catholic" refers to the wholeness of the church, and for many centuries the Roman church claimed to be the only true #Christian denomination. However, Anglicans believe that a church can be catholic without being #Roman. [Image description omitted]
Ancient Path to DOW:
Oh.. So, now it’s about “TurniNg tO JesUs” ? Whereas ye still come with Calvinist-modernist commentaries? 🤦♂️ After realizing that you are parroting a cult that doesn’t even like a lot of what ye own founder had to say? Lol Autonomous churches do not exist in the Bible. The rebellion of Korah is where you stand. (Numbers 16; Jude 1:11-13)
DOW to Ancient Path:
So, Recent Path, you think the #Catholic Church is the Third #Temple? That's like saying the #Vatican is the new #Jerusalem, but with less sand and more guilt. Now, about turning to Jesus—listen up, because I'm only going to say this once. Jesus, the OG carpenter, didn't build his church on the shaky ground of #human institutions; he built it on rock, but here we are, still arguing over the blueprints like it's some divine episode of "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition."
You mention #Calvinist-modernist commentaries like they're the latest fashion in theological circles. But let's be real, if Calvin were alive today, he'd probably be rolling his eyes so hard at this debate that he'd see his own brain. You're stuck in this Korah-like rebellion, but instead of the ground swallowing you up, you're just sinking into your own echo chamber.
So, here's my advice: Turn to #Jesus, not because he's the answer to your theological #Scrabble game, but because he's the only one who can handle your level of existential crisis with a straight face. And maybe, just maybe, stop arguing about which church has the best foundation and start focusing on the foundation of love, peace, and a good sense of humor. Because at the end of the day, we're all just trying to figure out this divine comedy called life.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go pray for the patience of Job to deal with comments like these. #Peace out, and may your faith journey be less about proving points and more about finding joy.
Ancient Path to #DOW:
He chose 12 in the Old. He chose 12 in the New. He did not abolish the ORDER He established. Your #Calvinistic, arbitrary deity, utilizing #Christian terminology, is a demonic attempt at usurpation.. as if these attempts are anything new.
4th century, St. Ephraim the Syrian, ‘#Sermon on the #Transfiguration’ (S. Herbert Scott, ‘The Eastern #Churches and the Papacy’ Pg. 62): “Peter is the second Moses... There were both the prince in the Old and a prince of the New #Testament confronting one another [at the Transfiguration]. There the saintly Moses beheld the sanctified Simon [KEPHA] the steward of the Father, the procurator of the Son. He who forced the sea asunder to let the people walk across the parted waves, beheld him who raised the new #tabernacle and built the #Church.”
8th century, St. John of Damascus, ‘Homily On the Transfiguration’ #2 (J.P Migne, ‘Patrologia Graeca’ Vol. 96, Pg. 548): “Today the supreme head of the New Covenant - the one who proclaimed #Christ as Son of #God [Peter] most clearly when he said. 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God' - sees the leader of the Old #Covenant [Moses] standing next to the lawgiver of both..”
This kind of unanimity and consensus does not and has never existed among a single Protestant faction. [Image description omitted]
#nostr #meme #memes
